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      An Unpopular Opinion on Volunteerism

      1 Oct 2009

      The ongoing tragedy in the aftermath of Typhoon Ondoy has spurred a nationwide push to rebuild and reclaim all that we have collectively lost, and it is nothing short of amazing how quickly people can self-mobilize when a dire enough need arises. Donations in cash and kind are pouring in from all over, and dozens of organizations are fielding volunteers for every aspect of the relief operations. Recently I had a very frank conversation with a friend of mine regarding the latter, during which I explained my rather unpopular stance on the subject. I will attempt to do the same here, although I will warn anyone reading this that some may find it objectionable and/or heartless. Rational thinking often is.

      Every day, colleagues of mine volunteer at various centers, helping with the sorting, packing or distribution of relief goods. They spend 4 to 5 hours at a time, on average. Now I believe that this is the wrong thing to do, and here’s why.

      At our company, the value of a developer-hour is US$25, which is close to the industry average. What this means, roughly, is that the 4-5 hours that each of my colleagues spend packing or distributing relief goods is worth about US$100-125. The reason why I think it’s the wrong strategy for a developer to be volunteering is not because I think that that US$125 is being wasted; it’s just being grossly under-utilized.

      Consider this: a given developer cannot sort relief goods any faster than your average minimum-wage employee. (In some cases, the developer, with his soft, developer hands, might even perform worse than the minimum-wage guy, who likely has more experience with manual labor.) However, since that developer’s time is worth so much more, placing him in that job is a _misallocation of resources_, and is thus wasteful.

      But, you cry, the developer wants to help his fellow man!

      Yes, and he should. But there are two better ways that I can think of. The first is obvious. Instead of under-utilizing himself at the cost of US$125 per session, the developer should just donate that US$125 to the relief effort. This money can be converted into goods, thus maximizing its benefits. In fact, if the developer is serious about helping, the best thing he can do is to work longer hours at his job every day so he can earn more money to donate to the cause. Or figure out a way to generate extra revenue. (And if you can’t come up with the money fast enough, just take out a loan and then pay it back over time. Seriously.)

      The second way is less obvious. If you have a working budget of US$25/hour, you could just hire a whole squad of minimum-wage earners to work on your behalf. They would quite literally be 10x more effective than you would be on your own, and you’re creating more jobs as a result, too.

      But, you cry again, it’s different when you’re willing to get your own hands dirty!

      That’s needlessly romanticizing things. One of the reasons why people like volunteering instead of giving donations is because there’s a sense of actually accomplishing something. It’s a lot more substantial than, say, writing a check. However, I think that this is ultimately selfish behavior, because it makes you feel good while doing a disservice to the people you are trying to help. Unless you have a unique set of sorting/packing skills, your output will be the same as the minimum-wage volunteer next to you. You could be helping in vastly more significant ways. (Ironically, writing that check is probably one of them.)

      But, you cry a third time, if everyone thought that way then no one would volunteer!

      I find that about as unlikely as PAG-ASA upgrading its prediction systems. But for the sake of argument, let’s assume that we lived in a country where everyone was earning above minimum-wage. (Again, a logical impossibility, but thought experiments are strange that way.) What would happen is that the relief operations would be flush with cash because everyone would be donating in an effort to maximize the aid they were extending. The operation heads could then simply hire people to do the work of volunteers. Or, God forbid, fly low-wage workers in from other countries to do the job for us.

      The reason that scenario sounds so ridiculous is because it’d never happen. There will always be people who want to volunteer for relief operations, either because they derive pleasure from it or because they are otherwise unable to donate in cash or kind. I’m not saying that people should stop volunteering, all I’m saying is that they need to think long and hard about whether they are helping more that way or not. As heartless as it may sound, the most effective way to help your countrymen just might be to get out of that sorting line and get back to your day-job.

      =====

      If you are interested in helping out, you may donate directly to the Philippine Red Cross via PhilippineAid.com.

      34 Responses to “An Unpopular Opinion on Volunteerism”

      1. Erol Says:
        October 1st, 2009 at 8:20 pm

        I agree that cutting work hours to volunteer - or skipping work altogether - is a big no-no. Life has to go on and the country has go get back to a sense of normalcy, and sacrificing work hours for volunteerism ain’t going to accomplish that.

        I do think that volunteering AFTER work is not such a bad thing, and neither is it an under-utilization and a waste of an employee’s hours. Consider that we - as persons - work to live, and not the other way around. If volunteering can satiate a person’s desire or urge to help, it is no different from a person going to the movies, mall or an amusement park to fulfill his or her need to enjoy and have fun.

      2. teem Says:
        October 1st, 2009 at 9:04 pm

        You need to consider the urgency of the situation. More people could get sick, die of hunger or whatever, if everyone goes on with their jobs and not volunteer to be able to give more. It’s like when your Nexus is being attacked by zerglings, you use your probes to defend. Ika nga, aanhin pa ang damo kung patay na ang kabayo.

      3. Ryan Says:
        October 1st, 2009 at 9:16 pm

        A few counter-arguments (because as you know, I love arguing).

        1.I agree that there are inefficiencies and misallocation of resources with regards to volunteerism. This is partly why I decided to step back after 3 days at the balay expo. On Sunday there weren’t enough volunteers to go around, so I felt that my being there contributed somewhat to the relief effort (and alleviating my survivors’ guilt). The second and third days, with classes being suspended, saw a deluge of college volunteers swamping the expo, leading to a gross inefficiency in resources, especially during tuesday. There were simply too many people and not enough goods to go around. We ended up making cardboard beds because it was the work no one wanted to do, and thus it felt the most efficient.

        But where I disagree with you is that I’m almost positive that if those volunteer resources were properly managed there would have been no misallocation of resources simply because the crisis is just that big. You start to realize when you’re congratulating yourselves for 1000 relief packages sent and then you realize that’s just the equivalent of a day’s worth of supplies, and that there are thousands more that need relief goods. If most developers took your advice and decided to simply donate more money and stop volunteering, would the goods be packaged as efficiently? Would there be enough people to take their place?

        And then there’s the consideration of time, ie how long does the money you donate take to be converted into relief goods? how many lives might be lost for lack of a proper meal at the soonest possible opportunity? I’m not going to debate the cost of a human life, but it seems to me it would make sense to convert the collective adrenalin rush among the populace, use their energy while corporate sponsors are still opening up their wallets, and then maybe sit back once things have normalized somewhat.

        More on this later.

      4. Marco Says:
        October 1st, 2009 at 9:28 pm

        The logic is flawed. There are far too many assumptions being made. First of all, you begin by using a developer in your company as an example. This automatically invalidates many of the arguments, should they be directed at the general public. Among the thousands of people doing volunteer work, how many of them work for you? A true rational argument would account for this. But let’s indulge ourselves in this little mental exercise, shall we?

        Point 1 - The funds the volunteer would have earned had he stayed in his cubicle are being under-utilized. This may be true, if everyone were paid on a day-to-day basis. Unfortunately, most people in this country are paid bi-weekly, causing a delay in the arrival of cash. The problem with calamities is, relief needs to come as immediately as possible. A rescue operation cannot wait for money to come in while people are dying. The longer they wait, the more people will die. It’s a matter of immediacy, not efficiency, that dictates the success of an operation in many cases. Juxtapose this scenario with the argument made in this post regarding money: The cash is used almost immediately to buy food, medicine, and other supplies, as well as funding housing and rescue operations. The longer people wait for this money, the hungrier the victims get. Their health degrades dangerously close to terminal levels. Those without homes risk everything each night they sleep on the streets. People trapped in the flood die, simply because the money hasn’t come in yet.

        The post attempts to rectify this situation by suggesting that those involved take out a loan. If that were the case, the funding actually becomes less efficient, with volunteers losing money to interest. In addition, the time it takes to approve loans can be variable, and so the victims will possibly be kept waiting for the help.

        Yes, not working may deduct from your salary, but that isn’t the case for all offices. This could be deducted from their leaves (as was the practice from my former office, and so absences didn’t really have much of a punishment when I left), which are actually going to a noble purpose.

        Point 2 - Some volunteers may be inferior workers compared to minimum-wage earners. Again, this is assuming way too much. Many relief centers ask their volunteers to fill out niches suited to their strengths. Those with “soft developer hands” can sort donations without doing any heavy lifting. There are also those individuals with exceptional people skills, directing evacuees to their areas and consoling those who have difficulty dealing with loss. It doesn’t matter who you are when you volunteer; what matters is that you do what you can.

        Point 3 - The money earned by staying in your cubicle can be used to hire more efficient minimum-wage earners. Unfortunately, to those who have actually been to relief sites, manpower is lacking. This isn’t to say that people aren’t hiring enough minimum-wage earners, no (although that may be the case sometimes). This is more a case of the minimum-wage earners already doing what they can. You have your average Juans and Juanas going door-to-door and offering to clean the homes of flood victims. You have them doing hefty blue-collar work to help rebuild the infrastructures of water-damaged buildings. Some of them may even already be in the relief centers. Worst yet, they may be incapacitated by flood themselves. The number of available minimum-wage earners is already quite low, and yet the operations are still lacking in manpower. So who’s to pick up the slack? The soft-handed developer.

        Point 4 - Volunteering for the joy of volunteering is romantic and selfish. While this might be true, it also means that the need for immediate help is being addressed. Victims don’t care whether or not their dry clothes come from a politician who wants to do a photo-op, they just want the dry clothes. If the politician does it quickly enough, then great. The same goes for those who do it just for joy. While they may be there more for the high of helping, it doesn’t really matter to those getting the help. In the end, what matters most is that those in need get what they need.

        Point 5 - Those who should volunteer are those who cannot help out via donations, or those who end up giving more this way. This is partially true. Many of the individuals who are volunteering do so because they can’t do anything else to help. They don’t have any available cash because they don’t earn enough, or have their own bills to pay for. Volunteering becomes their most practical means of offering support.

        However, this doesn’t mean to say that the soft-handed developer who earns $25 an hour is of better use not helping. Yes, he can put his money into the donation box, or hire more manpower (if it’s available), or any other alternative to volunteering, but if he wants to volunteer, who’s to say he shouldn’t? He could do all those things alongside volunteer work. He can drop off donations as he arrives at the relief center (which a great deal of volunteers do). He can contact manpower services over the phone while he’s on his break. He can do just about anything to help while volunteering, and that would make the help as immediate and as efficient as possible.

        All in all, the post comes off as slightly short-sighted. While it raises some valid points, those points ultimately lose weight by simply forgetting the viewpoints of the victim and the volunteer. I’m not saying that you HAVE to volunteer, but it would help to see this issue from another perspective.

      5. Hunter Says:
        October 1st, 2009 at 9:30 pm

        Some interesting thinking. There is certainly the romantic attachment of RL volunteering to make someone feel better over the indirect donation of money.

        There is one thing you may not have considered with donating the money directly to an organisation. As with most aid organisations only a proportion of the donations would go directly to benefit the people affected. The rest going to keep the organisation running (staff, marketing, etc). So, a fair amount of inefficiency there if you are looking for the most impact.

      6. Lizz Says:
        October 1st, 2009 at 9:42 pm

        I take it this means you didn’t volunteer, then?

      7. Ria Says:
        October 1st, 2009 at 10:10 pm

        helping out doesn’t require if your a nobody or a somebody. even if your time is worth a fortune…its not a reason for you not to help with those kind of jobs. sa ganyang bagay lahat pantay pantay….money isn’t everything. good deeds are more worth it. well i guess, to each his own opinion. it depends on what matters to you the most. for me, the best is time. there is such a thing as giving without hurting….maybe ganun ka. you want to give something pero you don’t want to be affected with what you give. you give out of your abundance, not from the heart. hindi lahat ng bagay nabibili ng pera…tulad ng pagmamalasakit.

      8. A response to “An Unpopular Opinion on Volunteerism” « Geek of All Trades Says:
        October 1st, 2009 at 10:35 pm

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      9. noreen Says:
        October 1st, 2009 at 11:56 pm

        there are people who even pay for vacation volunteer packages because they wanted to get out of their cubicle doing facebook while waiting for lame projects. because they know they can make other people happy by volunteering and they’d be happy too. (note: a lot of companies don’t pay overtime)

        for long-term volunteer opportunities, organizations do assess the volunteers for skill-based volunteer programs. but this Ondoy situation requires emergency response efforts. and with the number of relief goods a person can pack, even the smartest guy’s time can never be wasteful.

      10. Someone Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 12:29 am

        Your logic is TOTALLY off. I assume the $125 is the amount your company makes. Will the company donate it’s part in the amount the dev made for it?

        Lets be more reasonable - the average dev will make $10-12. Take the BIR percentage and you are left with what? $8-10 per hour? Which means your $125 is now only $40-50.

        Guess the allocation of resources doesn’t sound that wasteful anymore. And that’s not counting the fact that people can help on non-work hours.

        But the worse is that it just put money as the parameter for help. Help and volunteering is a LOT deeper than that.

      11. luis Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 6:59 am

        Wow there were a lot more responses than I was expecting on this post. I’m going to attempt to compile everyone’s points and put together a followup article within the next day or so. Thanks for everyone’s input.

      12. krangsquared Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 8:39 am

        Interesting. You make a good point that whatever makes the most money that can be donated is what can make a bigger difference. But of course, your assumption is that the company is still able to carry on with business as usual. If

        Also, I don’t see any point with finding fault with people’s motivations for volunteering. Ego boost, survivors guilt, resume building, hands on experience, blatant electioneering - WHATEVER. Ano man ang dahilan mo sa pagtulong, walang saysay yon. What matters is the net result. If you’re not disrupting the relief effort, then you’re probably helping.

        It is best to assume that we need *more* volunteers helping, not less. Has it definitely been established that there is a glut in people helping out? The easiest thing for people to do is to just stay put and make excuses for their inactivity.

      13. April Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 8:52 am

        oh, you, developer, you! i actually like Marco’s “article” more than yours. I felt it was fleshed out in a less myopic manner.

        rational as it maybe, this essay argues in a vacuum where it assumes (1) a good number of the volunteers actually earn more than they put out volunteering and they have no available leaves. (2) it totally disregards the immediacy of the situation where beds, blankets and goods need to be packed to be distributed. AND that skills are “allocated” to the best of the relief center’s abilities. (3) volunteerism = packing and sorting goods ONLY.

        Much has already been said in the comments. Maybe rational developers can help out more by working and then just buying their way into relief. Can it be that this article only applies to an obviously small chunk of the Philippine populace? You know, the rational above minimum wage earner with no sick leaves?

      14. Ryan Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 10:09 am

        There’s another thing too, that fails to be accounted for, and which I didn’t bring up because, well, I’d already wasted an hour in my earlier response.

        Volunteerism heals a nation’s psyche. You’re right, it may not be the most rational thing to do, but people aren’t rational. People are inherently emotional, and their spirits are buoyed when they see everyone around them mobilizing for a cause. When you consider the general apathy towards citizenship that has become the norm, especially in the metro, this sudden outburst of citizen action is heartening, and ultimately may prove to be the legacy of ondoy.

        Months from now, when people look back, they will see the tragedy, but they will also see the masses of people racing to help. You’re right in saying that it’s a more romantic story than a mass of people simultaneously opening their wallets. But that’s what a good narrative is. It makes your heart pump faster, gives you an endorphin rush, empowers you in a way that you never felt before.

        If we can carry this “bayanihan” (as hokey as the word sounds to me, I can’t think of an alternative) over to future endeavors, say, the 2010 elections, this could be the beginning of something great. That’s a big if, though. But it’s my hope that this collective empowerment of the country’s capital city can carry over into bigger things.

        2 more storms to sit through though, and more volunteers and donations will be needed befor we get to the promised land.

      15. guttervomit | a collection of stuff by luis buenaventura » An Unpopular, Mildly Clarified Opinion on Volunteerism Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 10:29 am

        [...] Yesterday’s piece on volunteerism and why you may be helping your countrymen more by simply staying in your office cubicle got some really great, well-thought-out comments from people. I’d like to thank all those readers who really went out of their way to contribute to the discussion. As expected, there were lots of dissenting opinions, but provoking debate is a great way to expand our thinking on these matters. I didn’t get any “fuck you”s or anything vaguely Neanderthal, which is nearly unbelievable in this day and age. [...]

      16. Marco Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 10:36 am

        Heh, I was actually considering mentioning Ryan’s emotional point in my own comment, but A) I decided to tackle the issue on equal footing, i.e. on the rational side of things; and B) I was already going on for over 100 words longer than the original post. :P

        Reading the other comments also made me realize one hole in my argument - not all relief centers are experiencing a shortage of volunteers. In fact, they’re bogged down by a surplus. Perhaps responsible volunteerism includes moving on from where you’re not needed, to someplace where your services could be of help? I do agree with krangsquared, though, that it’s better to err on the side of surplus than on the side of shortage, especially in this case.

        It’s good to see a number of substantial responses to this post. I like it when things like these get people thinking. Looking forward to your follow-up.

      17. Erol Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 11:03 am

        But I do think that the overmanning of some relief centers is more of a logistical thing than a fault of volunteerism. We have lists and lists of relief centers, but there is no central registry which accounts for sufficiently manned and undermanned ones. The volunteers may find upon arrival that the center is overmanned, but they stick around since they have no idea where else to go or the other center may not be accessible from where they are.

      18. luis Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm

        Marco and Erol: I talked about the unbalanced distribution of volunteers in the followup piece. I believe it’s an information issue, not a manpower issue.

        Ryan: Sorry I wasn’t able to add your newest comment to the response article, but I’ve spent way too much time on my blog this morning already. I can’t really comment on the psychic benefits of volunteerism, although eternal pundit Marco Palinar (not the Marco above) did say that one doesn’t volunteer to be efficient, but to empathize.

      19. sparks Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 1:17 pm

        On Volunteerism: A Response to Luis

      20. noreen Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm

        “Marco Palinar (not the Marco above) did say that one doesn’t volunteer to be efficient, but to empathize.”

        err… is this some kind of a judgmental generalization?

      21. Ryan Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 2:01 pm

        One last point, my comment about the emotional was about whether it can be harnessed to provide a rational and well thought out solutions to our problems.

        So for example, I’ve been thinking about how we can continue to harness the emotional response triggered by ondoy into a rational way of petitioning the government to take infrastructure matters (with regards to flood control) seriously.

        It’s hard to excite an apathetic populace but I believe if we time things just right (ie long enough after ondoy so people don’t have “volunteer fatigue” but soon enough that it’s still fresh in their minds) we might be able to push for reforms in this area. How? well, that’s what remains to be seen.

      22. Erol Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 3:19 pm

        Luis: I still maintain my stand that the issue of unequal manning of centers is not just a fault of volunteerism or due to lack of information, but is a logistical problem as whole. Meaning basically, how you ensure that one volunteer gets transited to the proper relief site. Information can fix some of the issues, but there remains the problem of transportation, accessibility and such.

      23. wring Says:
        October 2nd, 2009 at 7:42 pm

        so did you donate any money?

      24. drenolayan Says:
        October 3rd, 2009 at 1:54 pm

        I concur with your points here. Well written.

      25. Lorra Says:
        October 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 pm

        Hi. I found your entry through OndoyPhotos.com and have linked it back to my own blog for Ondoy survivors. It’s for a project that we started just this week to help raise funds for the survivors, rehabilitation and calamity risk management.

        START HERE aims to collect artworks from artists all over the world who want to share their visions of hope, creation and rebuilding to inspire and help the survivors of Typhoon Ondoy.

        The main reason why I decided to comment on your entry is because I never really got to translate into words what I really felt about this sudden boom of volunteerism that happened in our country until I read your thoughts.

        I think that I decided to set up START HERE because I felt that there was something more that I could do to help and it wasn’t by repacking goods in the relief centers.

        I love art and being able to express myself through it and START HERE became the perfect way to use my talents and help at the same time. I guess it just started snowballing, the project I mean.

        So anyway (haba ng sinabi ko), I guess my point is that I agree with what you’re saying. There’s really more than one way to help and if we can maximize our skills more by doing something else other than volunteering where everyone else is already volunteering at then we should choose to do that instead.

      26. Joni Says:
        October 7th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

        Hi Luis! I agree with your opinion on volunteerism. When I went to volunteer at a church last week, they were already overstaffed so squeezing myself into their group seems pointless as having too many people doing the work (and occupying space) can also slow things down. What I did instead was I went back to my cubicle, contact my friends online and through text asking them to donate old clothes or goods so I could bring them to the church after office hours. I think this is the better choice between the two. And yes, I also donated.

        “I think that this is ultimately selfish behavior, because it makes you feel good while doing a disservice to the people you are trying to help.” –> I may be one of the few people who will admit that this totally makes sense. Volunteering makes us feel good. It’s a good thing, but if it’s no longer required, then it’s just plain selfish. I would rather donate what I can so people, who don’t have the luxury to donate but can be there to volunteer, can do more with more.

        Good article, Luis!

      27. Jason Says:
        October 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

        Don’t know how it became unpopular - but wasn’t it the same thing as what musicians do w/ “Benefit Concerts”? hehe

      28. Riz Says:
        October 14th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

        You do have a point, if applied to developers who earn $25/hour. :) But lots of arguments in the comment section I agree with also. :)

        I.e., in our church alone, someone anonymously donated a huge amount of money for relief operations — 1M, just like that. Sure, I wouldn’t mind contributing $125 to our church’s ROs (oohh but I’m not a developer. And if I was, I would apply sa Syndeo haha laki pala sweldo dyan, lol!), but our church, for one, already has $1M worth of relief goods to worry about repacking, and what our church needs are volunteers to do the work, not more money to buy more canned goods. It goes the same way for ABSCBN and GMA and World Vision, I think. The donations coming their way are in the 8-digit range already! Enough monetary donations na, time to put the money to use. Combine all the donations from all the organizations in the Philippines, I think we’ve gathered enough money to pay our country’s debts! :D

        Some organizations may have enough volunteers already, like @Joni’s church, but I know of some that still needs more volunteers. World Vision, for one. My brother was there yesterday and they have a lot to repack with just a few people helping out.

        “Unless you have a unique set of sorting/packing skills, your output will be the same as the minimum-wage volunteer next to you.” –> This premise is only applicable to repacking goods, I think. (Poor developer and his delicate hands, hehe). But volunteerism is not contained to repacking only. There’s also the distribution part, which, if I do say so myself, needs more manpower, minimum-wage-earner or not.

        As an additional observation, most of the volunteers I see are from the middle-class/ above-average earning bracket. I think this is because the minimum-wage-earners just can’t afford to volunteer anymore because, hey, they only earn so much and they can’t afford to lose a day’s wage! Besides, how will you ask a waiter/janitor working in Jollibee to take a day off in exchange for extra money volunteering? Or how will you ask a market vendor to close her stall for a day or two and volunteer instead? And for how much? Not only will the Jollibee waiter have a hard time getting his VL approved by his boss, he probably won’t have a job to come back to anymore.

        One more thing, let’s say we’re not going to contain volunteerism to just repacking goods. I think going out there to volunteer in distributing relief goods does not only make one feel good about his sacrifice, it makes the recipients feel good, too, knowing that some people are getting out of their way to reach out and help them. Besides, it’s not a stroll in the park distributing relief goods. It’s smelly, there’s mud and garbage everywhere, it’s long-hours under the sun. So maybe it’s not exactly selfish or altruistic.

        What happened with Ondoy and Pepeng are out of ordinary. I don’t think we can just hire workers to repack. There’s not exactly a career path there, you know. :) Like I said, We can’t just take minimum-wage-earners away from their jobs and expect their employers to still give them their jobs back after a week or two OFF.

        But us above-average-earners (IT people and the like), we’re the ones who have time in our hands! We can afford to sacrifice a day’s wage. We can volunteer during the day and work extra hours in the evening to finish tasks that weren’t done because we’re out volunteering for the day.

        In the end however, what Erol said, “Life has to go on and the country has go get back to a sense of normalcy, and sacrificing work hours for volunteerism ain’t going to accomplish that.” Even I can’t afford to keep volunteering until all mouths are fed and all affected homes are reached. We can only help so much, and at one point, those affected people would have to stop depending on volunteers and relief goods as well and carry on with their lives. Just as we would carry on with ours.

      29. Riz Says:
        October 14th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

        Sorry, I said $1M, P1M lang. Ang yaman naman ng church namen. :))

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      31. ayus™ Says:
        October 19th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

        great discussion you guys having here. my two cents; these opinions are valued greatly, but let’s step back and reflect on our actions. are we doing anything that truly matters? does any of our iniatives positively impacting the society? kudos to those who answered yes. Go out and vote to those who said no. hehehe

      32. guttervomit | a collection of stuff by luis buenaventura » An Unpopular Opinion on #BangonPinoy Says:
        October 26th, 2009 at 9:52 am

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