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      Sex and Schrodinger’s Cat

      7 Jan 2009

      Sit down, this is a good one:

      One of my lady friends – let’s call her C – was recently having an issue with a close friend of hers, let’s call him D. C and D had been best buds for some time. They were part of a larger group of friends who did all sorts of fun, barkada-type things together. Then one night, alone in D’s house, they happened to share an unexpected kiss. Or seven.

      Now C is stressed because they have over-stepped boundaries. Or at least, she feels that they have. She pings me and asks for advice, and I sagely tell her to “have sex with D and see if there’s anything there.” She says it would be weird, because they’ve been friends for so long.

      This was about a week ago. Fast forward to today, and I’m sick and alone at home watching The Big Bang Theory. Specifically the final episode of the first season, wherein they quaintly use Schrodinger’s Cat as an analogy for a situation that was pretty similar to C and D’s. At least, similar enough that I felt compelled to write about it.

      In case you’ve forgotten:

      Schrodinger’s Cat is a thought experiment meant to illustrate the counter-intuitiveness of quantum mechanics. In the experiment, we place a cat inside a box along with a vial of poison. The vial of poison is set to open at an undefined point in the future. The poison will obviously kill the cat if this happens. We close the box, and are unable to determine by external means whether the cat is alive or dead.

      Now, under the rules set by quantum mechanics, for as long as that box is sealed, that cat is both alive and dead. Why? Because we are unable to observe for ourselves which state the cat is in. However, this is counter-intuitive (and quite frankly, makes little sense) because the cat cannot, in reality, be both alive and dead. It is one or the other.

      How does this relate to the story of C and D? It’s simple, really. At this point in time, their relationship is both platonic and romantic. They maintain that they are friends and yet that kiss (or series of kisses, I should say) have incontrovertibly changed things. But a relationship cannot be both platonic and romantic, in the same way as Schrodinger’s Cat cannot be both dead and alive. It doesn’t make sense in the thought experiment, and it doesn’t make sense in real life either.

      So how do we know which one it is? Why, by opening the box, of course :)

      24 Responses to “Sex and Schrodinger’s Cat”

      1. C Says:
        January 7th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

        loophole in your little analogy:

        the only variable considered in screwdriver’s cat is the cat itself- whether he is alive or dead.

        in D and C’s case, one person could be alive/have platonic feelings, while the other could be dead/have romantic feelings. since that is most probably the case with those two, hence opening the box would unleash hell. soo. some boxes are better left unopened.

        but the main similarity? the cat, C and D will all die at some point. go figure :)

      2. luis Says:
        January 7th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

        The cat analogy isn’t only applicable to standalone systems (i.e., a single cat). After all, Schrodinger was using it to illustrate mathematics involving subatomic particles, haha.

        Anyway, the point is this, C (assuming you really are C, and not Helga or Lauren lol) — you’re assuming that keeping that box closed will allow you to maintain the illusion that you are in a purely platonic relationship. But it doesn’t. The relationship is either platonic or romantic, and you will never be sure which one it is until you open the box.

      3. Ryan Says:
        January 7th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

        Siyempre kinlick ko yung link ni C. Shet.

      4. persh Says:
        January 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

        interesting thoughts. :)i wonder why relationships should be this complicated. whatever happened to good old fashioned honesty? definitely beats the banes of anxiety and groping in the dark (although some would find it nice.lol)

        women, well, we tend to overanalyze every single detail there is to scrutinize and over introspect about it until everyone around us is subtly telling us that their ears need a respite from our rantings. and men? theyre probably snoring their lungs out and havent given “it” a single thought. well, im not prejudging or stereotyping, it’s just that more often than not, this is predominantly the case.

        on a serious note, (coming from an outsider and having no idea whatsoever of the people involved) if a guy likes you enough, he WILL pursue you and wont send cryptic ambiguous mixed signals. either it is platonic or romantic. and any guy who cant decide on that is not worth the trouble. at all ;)

        just giving my 2 cents worth on this subj.

      5. luis Says:
        January 7th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

        Thanks, persh, I imagine you’re quite right. Open the box, C.

      6. Timber Says:
        January 8th, 2009 at 8:06 am

        Go with the flow and let the flow take you there.

      7. Luna Says:
        January 8th, 2009 at 9:00 am

        I don’t know if it makes me silly, but this is my favorite post of yours so far, Luis. I completely agree.

      8. luis Says:
        January 8th, 2009 at 11:11 am

        Thank you, Luna, you’re very generous. For my next trick, I shall attempt to uncover the hidden connection between the theory of Special Relativity and sleeping with your ex :P

      9. persh Says:
        January 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

        BAD IDEA. Bad bad idea. why are u fixated on sex?haha! kidding

      10. C Says:
        January 8th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

        LOL@ryan

        the problem with this comes down to gender inequality and double standards. if one of them has platonic emotions and the other romantic, the deciding factor of what happens to the relationship (or doesn’t happen, for that matter) is definitely dictated by the guy’s feelings. :/ just like how maria clara waits for that proverbial prince charming to make a move.

        hey luis, the fact that your Most Interesting Blog Entry happens to have ME as the subject says something about your life huh? lol.

      11. luis Says:
        January 8th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

        She didn’t say “interesting,” she said “favorite”! She liked it because of my erudite writing style — actual subject matter a distant second, natch.

      12. Fredda Says:
        January 9th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

        very nice and insightful post

        I think people tend to rationalize and intellectualize too much when it comes to
        relationships. whatever happened to good ole spontaneity? they were being spontaneous when they kisses, and that’s great wasn’t it.

        they should be daring and fearless, trust their instincts, listen to their desires, feelings. if she wants to f*ck him, and he fer, they should do it, as you (luis) brilliantly advised them to do.the problems will solve themselves later on.

        choosing bet. Platonic or romantic is probably problematizing or complicating a very simple situation. the relationship will naturally EVOLVE, and the labels aren’t important.

        I also f*cked a dear “platonic” friend, and we were happy about it bec. we didn’t worry about love, commitment, “having a or what to do about relationship” or the future during the relationship. in time, we just found ourselves happy and committed, and it was great. but there was no rush, pressure or expectation.

        so to C and D, my message is: Listen to your hearts and be true to yourselves.

      13. SmokE Says:
        January 18th, 2009 at 9:19 am

        Не очень понятно о чем идет речь, хотелось бы более обширнее получить информацию о данной теме.

      14. Rushyan Says:
        January 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 am

        Всегда можно найти компромиссы и прийти к общему решению. Если вам что-нибудь не нравится попробуйте что-нибудь другое.

      15. aids Says:
        January 23rd, 2009 at 7:37 pm

        astig post.
        ayows.

      16. Xимeнa Says:
        May 26th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

        Возможно, это один из самых интересных блогов, которые я когда-либо читал :). Прикольные статьи, Занимательные комментарии. Так держать! :)

      17. BaKiNeC Says:
        May 28th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

        Решил Вам помочь и разослал ссылку на этот пост в социальные букмарки. Надеюсь поднимется популярность ;)

      18. aginiubonvins Says:
        June 22nd, 2009 at 2:00 am

        Авторитетная точка зрения, любопытно..

      19. BoлкBepнyлcя Says:
        July 1st, 2009 at 4:26 pm

        Даа… Финиш… Наверное пора расслабиться и отдохнуть :)

      20. qwerty Says:
        October 5th, 2009 at 5:56 am

        i agree with Fredda!!!! =p

        and i also believe that there is no such boundaries between love and friendship.
        aja!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha

      21. jozzua Says:
        November 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

        I prefer Nike’s tagline on this one: “Just do it.”

        If you don’t, you’ll always wonder. If you do and find out that it wasn’t a good idea…well, that’s the spice of life - mistakes.

        ON another note, Luis I didn’t realize you had russian fans.

      22. The Coolest Guy In China Says:
        January 27th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

        I think you made a couple of very valid points (I definitely enjoyed reading it), but don’t you agree that a lot of people are kinda suffering from “backward rationalization”? By the way, you should check your RSS feed. It doesn’t seem to workthe way it should.

      23. achems razor Says:
        June 3rd, 2011 at 11:49 am

        jeeze louise…. platonic relationship is an oxymoron unless both parties are deeply committed to other and just as unattractive to each other…… a tree falls silently anyone? its really not so complex….. and shrodinger shoulda gotten a life…..

      24. Soo Woznicki Says:
        August 7th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

        Unquestionably believe that which you said. Your favorite reason appeared to be on the net the easiest thing to be aware of. I say to you, I certainly get annoyed while people think about worries that they just do not know about. You managed to hit the nail upon the top as well as defined out the whole thing without having side-effects , people can take a signal. Will likely be back to get more. Thanks

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